Pokemon Living Pokedex Progress

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  1. InsaneNutter

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    So i've been playing Pokemon on and off since Pokemon Red was released here in 1999. I finished the Pokedex on Red, then Yellow, then near enough on Gold too, I only need a couple to have all 251 in the Pokedex.

    After that i never really finished a Pokedex, let alone tried to collect one of every Pokemon, until now. So i decided to compleate a Living Pokedex where i'm the OT of every Pokemon where possible.

    Over the last year i've finished a lot of Pokemon games. Pokemon Y, Omega Ruby, Black, White 2 and Heart Gold and as of a few weeks ago Pokemon Moon. Some of these i didn't have a lot to do on, some i've played through from the start.

    So the end result is i've now finished at least one Pokemon game in every pair / trio of games and imported a lot of Pokemon up from GEN 3 on wards to GEN 6.

    Due to the tedious process of doing this i've mainly imported my squads from the GBA games / early DS games, along with game event Pokemon and Pokemon from actual events. For White and Black 2 i imported everything as I caught a lot of Pokemon in these games, plus it was pretty easy importing a box full at a time without messing about with annoying mini games to import Pokemon.

    After that i numbered boxes 1-30, 31-60 and so on. I then placed all the Pokemon i had up to present in the relevant box space, if i had any duplicates I could evolve i placed that Pokemon in the place it should go once evolved. So for example I might have had Bulbasaur, Bulbasaur and another Bulbasaur in the first box. I'd then evolve two of those Bulbasaurs to end up with all three unique Pokemon.

    One thing i am doing though is only adding Pokemon where I'm the original trainer to my living dex where possible, I know this won't be possible for all Pokemon as some have only ever been event only. But where possible all Pokemon will have been caught by me or hatched from eggs by myself and have the same OT

    So at it stands at the moment the Pokedex starts out like this:

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    And is now fully complete right to the end of GEN 2:

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    With the addition of a box containing every Unown:

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    When i finish the Pokedex i might go for other Pokemon's alternate forms as a long term goal!

    So that's basically what i've been doing, i've seen many guides on the internet along with spreadsheets for helping with a living Pokedex, none of which i've really found that useful.

    I've essentially imported all the Pokemon i plan to use from past games, ordered them and finally started at Bulbasaur and worked my way though the Pokedex from there, filling in the gaps as I go.

    I'm using Bulbapedia to see which Pokemon i need next, then what game / location will be the quickest to obtain it from, or if it's something i need to use the GTS for and then breed.

    This post is more for my own records, however I thought others might find it interesting. I started my living dex in October 2016 ish and got everything imported in to GEN 6, along with GEN 1 mostly finished. However Sun / Moon came out so i've not really managed to progress much until recently.

    So as of 12/02/17 GEN 2 is finished.
     
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    Nice, I want to do that except I'm not gonna transfer anything. 'Cause in Gen. III, IV and VI, every Pokémon can be found at at least one place in at least one of the games from that gen, I thought that would be cooler.

    No breeding except for stuff like starters, fossils, Eevee, things that would require you to restart games multiple times to get enough of them because I'm not that masochist.

    I'm still stuck on the part where I have to play through all my games though, lol. All my save files for previous games I eventually got rid of at some point for whatever reason, so they all need to be played through over again before I can do anything. Gonna take me forever because I don't have the motivation for games like Pokémon anymore.
    Only save file I really still had was from Omega Ruby, even my Y save file I no longer have. I went back through Diamond a few weeks ago and mostly completed that (only have the whole of Battle Island left), and I started FireRed some time ago, got to Cerulean City, I need to finish that.
    Once they're all finished I can start going back through every route and getting everything I need. :P

    Gen. V I'm thinking I might as well try and make a living Unova dex, B2/W2 one has a decent selection and I guess that could be a nice goal to go for after I'm done with everything else heh. I have Sun too, but I honestly don't really like Gen. VII, so won't really play it beyond completing the main game, nevermind trying to form a living dex. Won't even bother getting Moon.

    I hadn't even thought about Unowns tbh, I'll have to do that.


    Might go for Gen. I/II just for laughs, box management sucks but I can backup Pokémon to .pk2 with PKHeX, keep them organized in folders on my computer, and when I'm done it's easy to re-add them to my save file in Pokédex order. I guess others may see this as cheating, I see it as added convenience though since I wouldn't actually be cheating to obtain any Pokémon (aside from Mew/Celebi.)
     
  3. YoshiMoshi

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    I completed a living pokdex up to and including gen 6 as myself as original trainer. I traded with nobody but myself throighout. I started in gen 3 and went up completing a living pokdex. I would imagine it's even easier now as u need less games to do it. I even get all semi permanent forms. I'm just missing lots of shiny pokemon and many many spinda lol. I have multiple arcesus, genesect etc so I can have all forms.
     
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    I am breeding, i dont fancy playing games though multiple times when i dont need to!

    As it stands i've actually done the hard bits and got all the legendary Pokemon I need from GEN 1 to 5. These are often duplicated in newer games, so quite easy to get them all if you have finished one game in each pair / trio. Plus Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire hand the legendries out from past games like candy!

    From GEN 6 / 7 theirs 3 Pokemon so far i'm going to struggle with I think
    • Xerneas - I would have to play Pokemon X to get this with myself as the OT.
    • Cosmoem - I'd need another Cosmog to evolve, which means playing though Pokemon Sun.
    • Solgaleo - I'd have to get this when playing though Pokemon Sun to get another Cosmog.

    Pokemon which are currently impossible to get with yourself as the OT to the best of my knowledge are as follows:

    • Jirachi
    • Arceus (Not possible to transfer the unreleased event)
    • Keldeo
    • Meloetta
    • Genesect
    • Diancie
    • Hoopa
    • Volcanion

    Marshadow - Event not released yet, so unknown at this point.

    That was my biggest problem about this time last year, Heart Gold was half finished, White I had one gym badge and i'd never even started Black 2. I was Post Elite 4 on Omega Ruby and just Before the Elite 4 on X. It took me until November to finish everything on them, however i just played casually without any urgency.

    I'm mixed on how i feel on GEN 7, Gamefreak did something different which is nice to see, however it feels a bit too different in places. For example no national Pokedex, that is a strange move in my opinion. I can't put my finger on what it is, i didn't dislike Moon to be fair, but if I had to rank the Pokemon games in order of been my favorite it certainly would be no where near the top.

    GEN 1 would be brutal for a living dex, you would have to start the game at least 9 times to get each starter and their evolutions, then play the games though to the point where you get Eevee and the Fossil Pokemon 4 times. I guess you could breed in GEN 2 though then trade backwards to GEN 1, so could in theory be done with starting 3 GEN 1 games, possibly two as i think you get a GEN 1 starter Pokemon if you complete a GEN 2 game from what i remember.

    A GEN 2 living dex might actually be fun to do, as GEN 2 is my all time favorite generation. I agree about using PKHeX to organise your Pokemon though, i dont see anything wrong with that as you caught them legit, your simply using modern tools to make organisation easier.

    That's dedication, certainly the more you advance in generations the easier it gets i think, especially with online trading. So far i've not needed to trade online for any, I have a traded a couple from a friend of mine who has played the opposite versions to myself, which ive then got eggs of, as for spinder, i'd get one and be happy haha!

    Alternate forms is something i might well do when i finish my living dex, I think I could do Vivillon with myself as the OT by getting Scatterbug eggs traded to myself. I know someone whos done this and has save games started in different regions, thinking about it that would be something good to post up as i'm sure I have these saves somewhere.
     
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    You can have Arceus from your own OT through Entree Forest in B/W.

    At this point you'd need to use PokeStock to add Arceus to your Entree Forest if you didn't already have it, but it would be legal. (Not sure if there are other programs for editing Entree Forest, I'd be interested if there is.)

    I'll probably be playing through my games on emulator with speed up function, I don't think I'd finish them within the next 5 years otherwise... but once I've beaten the Elite Four, defeated all trainers and done all post-game content, I'm sending the save files back over to my retail cartridges and doing the actual catching + collecting on real hardware. Though for trading purposes I might use speed up function to speed up the capturing of hundreds of Route 1 Pokémon.


    I don't mind there being no Gyms in Gen. VII, in fact I think that's a pretty cool idea. I'm sure a lot of people before Sun/Moon was even announced thought it would be great if they started making Pokémon games that had the same gameplay but different setting.
    My problem is that Pokémon designs seem to have gone down the shitter since the end of Gen. VI, and they've just been pushing bad ideas in general since then (my opinion, of course.)

    Gen. V was all good, people liked to complain about Garbodor and Trubbish but those are the only ones (and they weren't even that bad tbh, Trubbish was kinda cute even.)
    Gen. VI was pretty good too, if there were bad designs it was only one or two here and there but the vast majority of it was great. Starting near the end though, Diancie was -amazing-, but I'm not a fan of Hoopa's normal form, although it's still not that bad. Its alternate form is getting there though, and then they have Volcanion which I just won't ever be able to like. If they had never added that donut on top of it it might have been amazing.
    Then Gen. VII comes and... I don't even like half of the Pokémon designs. Litten and Torracat look really cool, too bad they ruined that with Incineroar. Vikavolt looks amazing, too bad you gotta go through Charjabug to get it. What's up with Persian's alolan forme? Just to name a few...
    I love Lycanroc which is probably the one thing that makes me regret Gen. VII, lol. I like Primarina a lot, Alolan Vulpix/Ninetales too, and tbh I like Type: Null and Silvally a lot. That's a whole 4 out of everything else, lol. Not to say that this means everything else is bad, but imo there's a loot of bad in there, mixed in with a handful of good-but-I-can-live-without (meaning they're good, I just won't really care about missing out on them.)

    Then they started adding stuff like Zygarde's 100% forme, I'm playing Pokémon I don't want to feel like I'm playing Transformers. In the games that's technically Gen. VII (thankfully) but this was a thing in the anime since Gen. VI
    From Zygarde 100% forme they moved on to adding all those Ultra Beasts and this is where I stopped bothering. Really?
    Some of the Ultra Beasts designs look... okay... I guess, but I just feel like the concept of Ultra Beasts in general doesn't fit at all in the Pokémon universe. I'd rather have more regular legendaries that aren't specifically made to look like not-Pokémon.

    Then there's Z-moves, which admittedly I can just choose to not use (what I did.) I wasn't the biggest fan of mega evolution in Gen. VI, but most of the mega evolution designs aren't bad, and I've grown to like them for the most part.
    They just make even less sense to me, I mean damn you've seen them. It was funny at first but it just got old after the first day. Why is my Pokémon dropping a boulder the size of a small town onto its opponent? Why is my Pokémon causing an explosion the size of a small town? Why is my Pokémon slamming into its opponent at mach speed?
    The effects of Z-moves are fine, but the animations are waaaaaay overdone. I would have liked them a lot more if they toned that down. I would rather they kept the same animations just with extra effects/more damage dealt, but hey they need to appeal to the children who are easily amused by exaggerated stuff like this so they'd never do that.

    Gen. VI was -starting- to steer in a direction I wasn't sure I was a fan of, with Mega evolutions and -some- of the later Pokémon designs, but it wasn't enough to make me dislike the games. But Gen. VII just confirmed that this was the direction they were going in and it made me lose interest entirely. At this point I doubt that they'd go back, they'll only continue down that path. Which don't get me wrong, is great for the people who -do- like it, I just don't and I'll be playing the older games instead. I doubt I'll even consider buying eventual Gen. VIII games.
    If they release D/P remakes in Gen. VII I'm 100% buying those, though, but anything else, I won't. I didn't have plans to transfer anything from Gen. VI to Gen. VII, since I don't like it I'd rather keep my Pokémon in Gen. VI, but if a D/P remake was made I'm 100% transferring to Diamond remake, lol. Then at least I'd be able to have my favorite Gen. VII Pokémon alongside everybody else.
     
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    Nice that's something I was never aware of, i'll certainly have to look in to that!
     
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    Lol I didn't expect you'd end up posting while I was editing my post, oh well. :P
    Wrote the first part on my phone while I was in bed but I wasn't about to write all the rest using a phone, so I was waiting to add it into my post once I got to my computer.

    Quick search for "Entree Forest Editor" didn't find anything else than PokéStock, it's here if you'll need it:
    https://projectpokemon.org/forums/forums/topic/12622-pokestock-bw-updated-for-b2w2/
    You'll want PokéCGear. It's a little bit difficult to use though (it isn't nearly as straightforward as it seems) and I've not used it in a long time so I wouldn't be able to really help with that. I mean I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out on your own, it's just that I remember the program having some quirks about it and worked a bit weird.
     
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    Cheers for the info @Ammako, it turns out @suloku had released BW Tool sometime last year which included a legit forest with the Global Link Arceus accessible, along with various other Pokemon too!

    That is really useful as i never got to try the Entree Forest before the servers were turned off for the DS games, that happened way too early if you ask me!

    The Global Link Arceus imports through Pokebank fine, so I've replaced my Michina Arceus with that in my living Pokedex, great stuff! :)
     

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